The European kennel clubs, on the other hand, took the issue by the horns and wrangled. T., Haltmeyer, G. C., and Zarrow M. X. Broadhurst, P. L. (1975). For those who do not want to go through the hassle of going through the SKK’s database, I took the liberty of producing downloadable PDFs and putting them on my website. And that hasn’t gotten any better. Knowing one’s breed is vital. I have found many people today know nothing about Lassie. Saying that albinism (or something similar to it) makes an animal violent/aggressive does not hold any weight, then albino humans would be too. Below it, there should be a drop-down menu. My point here is, we did everything within our means to train/rehabilitate/heal this furry family member and nothing worked. Only after decades of objection and some rather slanderous statements from the breed wardens: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pietoro/media/webjunk2/CHF_07_DalStones.jpg.html. Also, the dog doesn’t fail or pass the test since it is simply a tool to measure the attributes of the temperament on a scale from 0 to 5. First off, your article is filled with biased information and that makes it hard to view as viable. But Dalmatians don’t have that luxury, the white coats are predominant throughout. Brain Sci. Neither of these are responsible for the problems facing Dalmatians, being a Dalmatian is the one and only factor to blame. Personal attacks based on no knowledge of me as a person. If we take 100 representative Border Collies we’d have 30 disease alleles and 170 healthy alleles. Wow, now you’re trying to misrepresent science and evolution. Then print out this photo for easy reference: http://danielmiessler.com/wp-content/uploaded_content/2008/11/argument-pyramid.jpg. Eg; It makes no sense to punish a dog for stealing, or vandalism, etc, the way we punish humans. And the issue of my dogs is a poor attempt to derail the conversation. Scott is also a member of The Dalmatian Club of America and served on the DCA hearing study committee including 4 years as the committee director.”. I’ve seen and experienced some terrifying Pekes in my time, they hurl themselves at each other like the best pitbulls. Burn out your eyes with hot metal rods or poke them out with sharpened sticks so that you won’t get a cataract. It took the same amount of decades for the marker to reveal Overseas Collie breeders they had no true normal eyed collies. Of course had I not been sleep walking he should have stayed in Holland as a stallion and I should have made sure of that. Also isn’t deafness common in most white dogs? You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about Christopher. This study compared 689 gout patients with 10,330 healthy controls from Scotland, Germany and Croatia. If she has the Dalmatian coloring, she has a propensity to both be deaf and to pass along deafness to her offspring. Why are so many collies blind? But in this same study it states other fad breeds such as “Dalmatians” and Irish setters “did not” seem to make similar appearances. Experimental programming of life histories: Towards an experimental science of individual differences. I twice achieved a Certificate of Distinction on the American High School Mathematics Examination, was a National qualifier twice for the American Invitational Mathematics Exam, and twice won Certificates of Distinction from the American Mathematics Competitions. Christopher isn’t saying that every Dal has these problems. Yes Germany has an appendix registry, like many other FCI KC’s have. “In November 1976, a mutation occurred with the whelping of a cream colored Doberman.”. Differential effects of environmental enrichment on the open-field behavior of wild and domestic Norway rats. 61, 81-88. USA 94, 2001-2006. 142, 1436-1442. People should be quite leery of the results from the American Temperament Test since dogs can be trained to pass it. Inherited deafness among nervous pointer dogs. In fact their history is all over which is why they have a hard time placing their origin, they are an old breed. “Type”], select “Medelvärde” [trans. Who are the former owners complaining to? Behav. I think it would take a very concerted effort to isolate the puppies to test them and heck, there’s a reason they do more objective tests which actually measure stimulus instead of being like “hey dog, can you HEAR ME NOW!”. Oh I had a Vet Tech friend who had two Parson Jack Russell and she admitted it was huge mistake to have purchase the second one due to the fighting. It’s essential to notice whether a Dalmatian is urinating regularly and to provide him with plenty of fresh water at all times. Grandin, T. (1994). Tinbergen, N. (1951). I frankly haven’t seen any breaking news on any Dalmatian biting/mauling children, but on the other hand there are stories weekly on pitbull like dogs. It is ignorance that leads to these opinions, and education/experience regarding the breed can work wonders! Dalmatian language, extinct Romance language formerly spoken along the Dalmatian coast from the island of Veglia (modern Krk) to Ragusa (modern Dubrovnik). To be a Shar Pei is to be prone to disease. The studies I read don’t report on the prevalence of stone formation at all, save to note that 55-80% of ALL stones diagnosed in ALL dogs come from Dalmatians (Hesse and Neiger 2009). 6. Why are you still harping on this. Sadly, an AKC Dalmatian Breeder of Merit. Abnormal fear response and aggressive behavior in mutant mice deficient for a-calcium-calmodin kinease II. Your statement was cut off, but I’m aware of what you said here, which I imagine fills in for what got cut off in your comment here. You write about the submissive behaviors and body language of the Dalmatian and I ask you how you feel about the very submissive body language of the border collie. So what you have supplied is a group of “theories” and a theory is never fact. How many Dalmatians have you shared your life with before becoming so judgmental? The author can’t respond to comments without lashing out at almost everyone and his posts are filled with rage. Oh that’s rich, it’s a BENEFIT, not a disease. Thank you Paddyannie for your introduction to the meaning of a Troll on the internet. Dave recently posted..From Which He Flushed. In breeds with both true irish spotting and piebald the high white may simply be caused by the interaction between homozygous irish spotting and homozygous piebald (e.g. Also the amount of Pointer DNA now is insignificant. a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly : a philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind. You need to stick that on your comments policy page. They see that they can have a ooooh-pretty-color Dalmatian without early-death and pissing blood and who would say “omfg I can’t stand this puppy, it has a pointer 20 generations ago!”. Of course this will only achieve defensive behavior from the people who love the breed and work hard to make it better. The incidence of blue eyes in terminal cross pigs is increasing. maybe german or english pointers? Fourth time here. I also never stated that HUA or deafness are not a problem. D., and Deesing, M.J. (1997). 4, 273-285. Ausi. What dog breeders are saying when they start in about purity, whether it is LUA Dals or Iranian Salukis with funky colors, is that they are too damned stupid to read a pedigree and avoid those lines. Maybe in your homeland, you don’t have an Animal Right movement where people are actively trying to ban pet-ownership. … I think your piece was short sighted. I do not have a faulty understanding of the phenotype nor am I misrepresenting it. Hirsh, J. The fields “Signatur” is for user ID, and “Lösenord” is for password. You’re down on the level of opinion sharing. Because if he doesn’t do any health testing then its a case of the pot calling the kettle black. You breed Dalmatians, you’re not ethical. The Dalmatian is one of the best most versatile breeds out there and do not need other health problems brought into the breed to”improve” it. I also said, on many occasions, that I am not condoning deafness in Dals and that I do believe a programme should be put in place to alleviate this issue. I am going to sum this all up and put in my 2 cents. Stick to breeding your Border Collies . Particular in Germany you will also find pet buyers complain about skin issues this did not come up on Google but since I am very established in the scene I am aware of what is being said and what comes up on Discussion boards. Another FACT for those looking for real information is Sturvite and Urate Stones can be medically treated and managed with diet and medication. As a dog person you should be able to read this body language easily. LMAO, “health testing” You clearly missed my most recent post where I talk all about the disease testing in Border Collies: http://www.border-wars.com/2013/05/health-testing-in-dogs-is-limited.html. Changes in serotonin and 5-hydroindoleacetic acid content in the brain of silver foxes under selection for behavior. The idea that you’d trade hundreds of times the incidence of one type of COMMON stone to remove the already scarce incidence of another is a horrible wager. Dalmatians are long distance endurance running dogs that were bred for guarding horses and carriages from robbers/highway men. It’s not pretty. 5, 299-319. I don’t need to read any more of your 400+ posts to surmise that there’s certainly some sort of personality defect going on with you, and that there’s no reasoning with you. All reputable Dal breeders have the parents and puppies BAER tested, but you are right, we will never be able to breed out deafness due to their pigmentation. This blog post isn’t titled “an exhaustive review of 100 years of neurology, biology, behaviorism, and dogs concerning pigmentation, the brain, and behavior.” I linked in DALMATIANS with the already well established body of work dealing with pigmentation and fear, etc. In that strain summary, he shows 48 tested Catahoula Leopard Dogs with 68.8% total deafness. But of course I’m sure you can see where these suggestions for African Americans can go. Symptoms and Identification Heinroth, 0. White cats with dark eyes or dark-pigmented areas of hair and skin on the head are less likely to be deaf, in comparison to white cats with blue eyes. Appl. Did you attend any shows or events to see the stable dal in action? As a female she’s less likely to suffer with crystals and all I have to do is make sure she gets lots of water and low purine food. What are you talking about? Am.J. Dave recently posted..From Which He Flushed. Im saying all this from my own personal experience of course and these aren’t blanket statements, when I mean “they” I mean the ones I’ve known. So MAYBE if you could come up with some realistic and knowledgeable suggestions for us instead of slandering individuals you would actually make a difference and not just create opposition. Clicked on the 2012 book and that reports 8.9% deafness, not 1%. I wonder why it hasn’t been seen in felines then,sense they can lack pigmentation and can have blue or different colored eyes. If I ever buy a puppy in the future—unlikely due to my age—I would buy a LUA puppy. You had the opportunity to exchange information with some very experienced breeders here. Sluyter, F., Bult, A., Lynch, C. B., VanOortmerssen, G. A., and Kookhaus,J. They make terrific guard dogs. To me, their life has value. And you were given a link to a study done on dog bites and it states very clearly that reports of Dalmatians biting during this time period were just not there. Look up the requirements to get a CHIC number. I have seen heavily spotted, almost all black Dalmatians be deaf and lightly spotted, double blue eyed ones have hearing. They really aren’t that high maintenance. At least Europeans are sensible bunch. I’m sure most Dalmatian owners would say the same, that they wouldn’t mind change of appearance for healthier dogs with the same personality traits. It’s not a coincidence that a breed so shallowly defined would have a disease gene 100% saturated so soon after the breed was formed.”. he just explodes! And by my anecdotal evidence alone, the few border collies I have met were very nice, albeit high-strung dogs who were well trained. Author needs to own one, then comment. The first author has observed possible signs of overselection for depigmentation in high-producing, commercially bred hybrid pigs. In Australia some Dalmatian families are used as hearing for the deaf dogs how would all this be possible if the breed was as submissive as you described it? Considering how lazy some people can be, unscrupulous breeders can say my dogs are CHICed and a number of people won’t even bother to look the dog up and see what the results were, assuming that is a mark of quality, much like people have assumed for decades that AKC registration was also a mark of quality. Every living thing can die. OFA Evaluation. You are not going to get rid of stones in dogs and your not going to reduce the incidence unless and until you feed them a proper diet, give plenty of hydration and allow them ample chances to eliminate. Dalmatians are also prone to genetic deafness. Behav. I have never had a problem with aggression with any of my smilers. them for there children. Finally, found some data which can refutes or support people’s positions which can be broken down for analysis. It could be possible there is something else going on to cause the high white. Some tests are still under patent and are $14k for testing 1 locus for a handful of alleles. But mine were sweet dogs with a wonderful sense of canine humor. Do if I paid someone to give me a Dalmatian, suddenly they would magically be different dogs. So, this will require a bit of hand-holding to access the results. If you did, you wouldn’t breed or own extreme piebald dogs like the Dalmatian. Nor are Border Collies bred with temperament problems occurring secondary to useless but novel coat feature. That’s putting shallow aesthetics above health and it’s true for EVERY SINGLE DALMATIAN on the planet. J. Explor. Whitman, C. 0. They can though get aggressive with bigger dogs. It’s refreshing to see white being trashed instead of dark. Dalmatians are no more artificial than any other breed of dog. It’s the worst possible scenario. 2% is VASTLY superior to 0%. Processes 7, 255-258. Psychol. Zool. Please, that’s the desperate act of an apologist who wants to keep her spotted Dals and pretend that it’s perfectly healthy. 67, 3266-3276. I did a quick search and found several sites that stated that there appears to be no direct relationship between skin pigmentation and neuromelanin. So I am no longer on drugs? Erin: When it comes to horses the piebald gene and existence of the Lethal white stated to be quite common especially in the Paint. Certainly not my text. Physiol. Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada September 1982 to January 31, 2012 Even then, the odds of there being a disease gene is very low and even lower that it will ever be homozygous and weighed against the fully saturated HUA, the moral choice is clear. Can that nervousness go up exponentially if they are with the wrong person? Dog breeders have made exceptionally stupid comments on this blog. PROPOSAL: Dalmatian deafness is caused by their coat color. Sheridan (1965) found that black and white hooded rats with pigmented eyes performed better than albinos on a test which required the rat to perform a visual discrimination task with one eye covered. The cure was ignored for nearly 40 years! No dog understands the complexity of that task and NO human should turn over their parenting responsibility to a dog. My Dalmatian is the sweetest family dog one can ever dream to have. Only one that I have has been a problem, mostly with other dogs. Border Collies aren’t known at all for aggression nor for poor temperaments. There is just no reconciling that with the truth, thus you are a committed liar. It’s magical. Owner of 6 lifetime Dalmatians, 4 foster-rescues, and trainer of 8 dogs and 19 pups – all Dalmatians, in the past 27 yrs. Thank you Anton for sharing about this once magnificent horse. There’s nothing they really can say, Joe, except “We’re sorry, we won’t do it again.” But they WANT to do it again. A Dalmatian is not in the same category as a dangerous exotic pet. No, they don’t need a trainer. Might I also suggest you read “Inbreeding is Screwing Yourself:” Such breeding, and indeed, the modern methods of closed registries, line-breeding, small founder populations and selection for minutiae cause loss of gene variants on a massive scale. Dalmatians are an artificial breed that is designed around a unique expression of coat patterning and that patterning is inextricably linked to both deafness and all the other problems that come with albinism including mental disorders. It’s really down to just the LUA gene. Sine-qua-non flawed. No statement about breed is universal. One is a unique uric acid metabolism that predisposes them to developing stones in the kidney or bladder. U.S. Dep. Also, we know that although correlated, expression on the surface doesn’t guarantee melanocyte presence in the ear. Trolls themselves are emotionally-immature users who thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments, like blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat.”. This would explain why Stephaine says only 1% of European dogs are deaf, while Americans report 30%. Something I hope the US breed club would start to consider, though not a full solution. Heavens alive no. To do so is idiocy. Since you are applying sarcasm to your post again I’d like to point out that I do not believe that EVERYTHING in the German system is an improvement but then it depends what you compare it too. Of course. Appl. So your observations speak to the issue at hand, not against it. Not to mention other movies like Fluke (1995) and Air Bud with countless of releases and spinoffs. (look it up on youtube) They do this when they’re happy or trying to get out of trouble for trying to steal food or sneak on the bed (in my girl’s case!) Wilson Bull. You should become a tabloid journalist! It’s actually NOT a good idea to have just one injection of new DNA (although really, since the club has waited so long to let in the LUA gene that’s really the only thing they are letting in). My dog has absolutely nothing wrong with her and you can in no way say otherwise as you’ve never met her! He now phones explicitly to be escorted in, a small trifle, they do this even though they know him, with anyone they know who is not here daily. I’ll first get this out of the way: I do know Dalmatians as well as several other breeds like Labrador Retrievers are coming up more with aggression, but I don’t believe this has anything to do with pigment, it’s just selecting for looks (who’s a show winner, not as in who has the least amount of color, although I know they do this too) and less for temperament. Suggesting that all albino dobes are inbred and that all originated from one source. But ALL of them (save the LUAs) have the genetics to be deaf, the genetics to be unsound in temperament, and have uric acidosis. Again, it’s akin to cutting off the face to avoid acne. I have been around a number of Dalmatians. Well, tempered family dog I do not think so. Is that enough mathy-sciencey-sort-of-qualifications for you? These rats inhabited an area at a local dump in Montana. Making rash, generalizing statements about anything demonstrates a lack of intellect, I suggest people take his blog posts with a grain of salt. You know you’re impotent to bring health to your dogs as long as you hold on to breed purity so you concoct an undefendable line of bullshit that you’re actually HELPING your dogs. Maybe you are refering to those crazy New York Raging Damatians. There will be two different calculated values below the MH-diagram. All three have been extremely healthy..my oldest passed away at age 15, my boy is now going to be 12 and my youngest is only three. At age 7 people reach the age of reason. If Dalmatian breeders wanted dogs that can hear, they’d give up the color. Owners must supply a low purine diet, and lots of clean water. To generalise all dogs like this is harmful. She has never harassed us when we eat and she new to sit when waiting for her meals without ever being told. (1967). I thought normally White German Shepherds had dark pigmentation and brown eyes,so where about as healthy as regular ones. The dog is not a good pet for most family situations.” Did someone with a Dalmatian piss you off as a kid, so you feel the need to trash talk a kind of dog that alot of other people really love, just so you can pretend to have a bigger dick???? Q. Rev. What I will say is that what happened with the DCA and the backcross dogs with the back door politics that AKC used to install them in the stud book has opened a pandoras box that will allow any crackpot on a mission to circumvent the parent club and the majority of each and every parent club to do what they feel is right for their breed. (White Factoring) at the S Locus likewise a dominant mutation merle gene at the MITF, What does the merle gene and White factoring have in common …they are mutations at the MITF. Behav. You note Labs are coming up with more aggression. Drop me $100 and I’ll put out a West Higland White post, post haste! Why must someone else do all the work for you? Having the dog pick up his trail like that tells me he went over the fence and out to the front of my house right where the dog started sniffing the air and alerting. I guess Dalmatian breeders make that quite easy for you since we tend to be pretty open minded and PUBLISH our breeds shortcomings. 1. I have only had three Dalmatians, other than the three litters we sold before the liver spotted female had some problems. I will read further your posts, but I’m at work right now and my time is taken up with that, and focusing on this post. You had better get busy, pal, there are a lot more breeds that sport serious problems. PRECISELY what we said for years when working for recognition of the non registered import Salukis. The photo of the Dalmatian showing it’s teeth is the classic Dalmatian smile. Those of us who actually have an education can see so many flaws in the statements here that it defies reality. I think you should be asking for money for psychological counseling. I didn’t say you said ALL, but your intense wording implies little patience with anything redeeming I could say about the breed. I had a 4.520 GPA, was a National Science Foundation Scholar, was a National Finalist in the American Chemical Society’s competition, was a member of the National Honor Society, Achieved Degree of Merit, Degree of Honor, Degree of Excellence, Degree of Distinction and Degree of Special Distinction with the National Forensic League, I was inducted into the Colorado Junior Academy of Science, I was the President of the Colorado Junior Classical League and runner up for President of the National Junior Classical League. Aggressive Behav. Dalmatians are predominantly white. Bred by a responsible breeder who is then prepared to guide their puppy buyers at least through the first two years they are not only a very healthy breed but also a very level headed one. I’m not sure why a valid post received so much backlash. By DCA and AKC rules there needed to be a clear 2/3 majority to allow the dogs in but both looked the other way because they didn’t want the publicity. Psychol. So get relevant. As you can see the Dalmatians now have breeding strategy remedy. I see no documentation to my theory. However I am also relieved because now there is some closure. I personally love the Dalmatian personality(or rather the personality of my own, every other dal I’ve met, and descriptions from other Dalmatian owners). Why are children in the same family so different from one another? You are taking this way to far. In 12 litters that I have bred in 13 years there wasn’t a single aggressive dog about and I know many breeders that have similar out comings. I don’t need to read the list again. Sad Sad Sad. Amazing you can’t list one error. i would never trust him to be left alone with strangers and especially children, he is ok with kids and many of my friends children play with him but i am always in the vicinity supervising, i am his owner and i do not put up with his bad behaviour but he will still push his luck, he will often growl if my feet brush against him while he is sleeping at the foot of the sofa, and i have to remind him of the status quo. Herrick, F H. (1908). It wont be long before there suddenly appears Gelderlanders all over the place and true to form. These pups are now accepted by the UK KC which lovers of the breed haver fought for for many years. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds, Jess, thanks SO MUCH for addressing this elitist nonsense. Mona Karel recently posted..Let’s Welcome JoAnne Tucker for a Friday Poet’s Corner, You also have the advantage of good old fashioned common sense. These dogs (across many countries in Europe and the US) have won in the last two months alone: 1 x BIS Veteran Spots are just decoration—not essential to health or any kind of working ability. Based off of the photos provided with each of the posts concerning dals, it really does appear that you are trying more to frighten people. Neurol. What? Why are Coton’s okay, why are Bickon’s okay? Plus, lung cancer isn’t even a good analogy. I have also been an owner of Spaniels, Labs, lurchers, and terriers, so how you can think it just to label me a “Dalmatian breeder apologist”? So no, EVERY human is not “affected with this gene.” It is only Dalmatians that are universally predisposed by their genetics due to lack of any other allele present at SLC2A9. You keep harping on the 100% HUA issue in Dalmatians being the cause of all sorts of doom and gloom for the breed. 5. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel. 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